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"Prem Kamble continued the spiritual quest by proposing a new language called 'mentomatics' that would explain the mechanics of reaching the Godly zone. He likened the Godly zone to that heightened level of awareness where confidence, love, faith and hope are at their maximum making everything possible and within reach. However, the reader reaction to this article was surprisingly violent and reminded me of the reactions faced by Galileo when he first proposed the theory that the Earth revolved around the Sun."
"The valuable insight of original thought, much like delicate crystal, cannot be prized, possessed or gifted when it smashes unprotected against the rock of opinions. We dress up our thoughts in the armor of words and send them out to wage war amidst the politically charged world of differing opinions. To be politically incorrect is to honestly state what your opinion is without regard for repercussions."
Comment: posted by Aparthib Zaman and My Response
Comment: “This article
didn't seem any different from what dianetics, quantum healers, or Maharishi
University folks would want us to hear and believe……
Yes the article is for
the layfolks, for the majority of common people whose views are important. It
is their views and not of the learned (or spiritually aware) few that gives
birth to the religious conflict and violence. The purpose is not to explain
what God and religion is, but what IT IS CERTAINLY NOT. The purpose of my
article is more to correct the common beliefs about religion rather than to
present a researched answer to the big question. The article is targeted for
the layfolks because it is their perception which is leading to violence and
bloodshed. If at all there is an attempt to find an answer, it is only
suggestive, and I have tried to place on the table ideas which may open the
door to further research in that area.
Comment: “Truth never appeals to the layfolks, truth has no therapeutic value for the average, so these pseudoscientific languages will always appeal to the resigned majority. These languages strike a chord with them since they use mystique, rhetoric and poetic expressions that layfolks can easily relate to. ”
Comment: “ ‘Mental energy’, ‘spiritual force’, ‘quantum mind’, etc are examples of the most popular of such expressions that all these pseudoscientific disciplines resort to. ”
My view: The purpose of the article is not to seek the truth, but to show that what the layfolks believe as truth is not the truth. The aim is to correct the current perception of “Truth” of the masses.
Comment: “Ease in grasping, "feel good", etc are the prime motivating factor for resorting to these routes for the mass”
My view: The article is for the masses, so ease of grasping is of prime importance.
Comment: “Although no claim is made about the scientificity of the approach, it comes out loud and clear that indeed attempt was made to caste the ideas in scientific language. ”
Comment: posted by Gauge
The response is published in Mukto-mona forum ( http://www.mukto-mona.com target="_blank")
His idea appears to be at the conceptual stage only, where he has given a heuristic setting for his "mentomatics". Hardly any comment is possible without further construction. But hey, who knows, it is an idea in it's infancy and maybe he can prove something with it as he explores it. It may turn out to be completely different from what he or we apprehend.
My view: Yes, the ideas expressed are at a conceptual stage because the purpose of the article is not to prove scientifically what is God, but to prove what God is not, to correct the common belief of the masses. I believe that today finding an answer to the question is less important than setting right the common misconceptions looking at the widespread intolerance and violence caused by religion. Please see my detailed reply to Aparthib's mail (reproduced above)
Your comments show a very mature thinking and a very open mind. This is the type of openness which is really required to read an original thought which challenges the normal beliefs and opinions which have sunk into our sub conscience over the centuries.
Comment by Rose.
Rose had included the following comments on my article in her Column titled "Politically Incorrect"
Kamble continued the spiritual quest by proposing a new language called
'mentomatics' that would explain the mechanics of reaching the Godly
zone. He likened the Godly zone to that heightened level of
awareness where confidence, love, faith and hope are at their maximum
making everything possible and within reach. However, the reader
reaction to this article was surprisingly violent and reminded me of the
reactions faced by Galileo when he first proposed the theory that the
Earth revolved around the Sun.”
“The valuable insight of original thought, much like delicate crystal, cannot be prized, possessed or gifted when it smashes unprotected against the rock of opinions. We dress up our thoughts in the armor of words and send them out to wage war amidst the politically charged world of differing opinions. To be politically incorrect is to honestly state what your opinion is without regard for repercussions.”
22, 2010 at 9:36 am
Thank you, Gary, for
your feedback. While I respect the different belief systems, my contention in
the book is that they are our current beliefs with our current level of
knowledge. We have come a long way in our pursuit of knowledge, but the
journey is still on.
am concerned about your notion that spiritual awakening can be achieved in an
instant. The path to spiritual awakening is fairly well known and I believe
that attempted short-cuts lead to heart-ache at best and disaster at worst.”
I agree with you that
the path to spiritual awakening is well known, but I believe that a much
faster, simpler method will be devised in future. I am also aware that the
spiritual awakening cannot be achieved in an instant today. But, maybe,
several years from now there will be a method to do that. Having progressed so
much so far, if we extrapolate into the future and think with an open mind,
what seems impossible today may be a reality tomorrow. What is important for
all of us is not to close our eyes to the possibilities.
Here is an extract
from the original book which exactly addresses this concern:
“A few decades
back, the only way to move was to walk. If man had closed his eyes and said
that walking is the only way to move from one place to another, he would never
have invented cars. If he had said that moving along land is the only way, he
would not have invented airplanes.”
So if we go back to
the time when walking was the only way to commute, we would have said,
“Don’t move too fast, you will hurt yourself and end up in disaster”.
But to move fast, we did not run faster, instead, we invented cars and
aircraft. Your concern about attempting to move fast in the spiritual space is
similar to this concern of running fast in the physical space. Attempting to
move fast in the spiritual space with the current methods may end up in
disaster. But what if we invent new methods?
People of the past
could not have imagined that man would fly some day. Similarly, today we
cannot think of instant methods for spiritual awakening. But looking at our
jump from the ground to the air in the physical space, a flight into spiritual
space is a distinct possibility.
All that seemed
impossible to the ancient humans has become possible today. If we think with
an open mind, something that sounds impossible today to us will be possible
More extracts on this
topic from the book:
“When we made
ships, we thought that sailing was the only way to move across water. It took
several days to cover the distances - until someone thought of discovering a
faster way: he invented the Hovercraft. He rose above water level and
discovered a faster way. No longer was there the resistance of water, no
longer need for support.
Similarly we can
probably find a way 'above water' to reach the Godly zones and discover God, a
way that will be several times faster than today's methods of God, Religion,
A few decades back,
businesses did all their office work manually. Nobody could have ever imagined
that one day there would be something called computer that would do it for you
It is very likely
that there will be devices or methods in the future that will enable us to
quickly get to the state of mind we desire. Although it sounds ridiculous now,
the concept of cars, aircrafts and computers too would have sounded equally
ridiculous a few years back.
I seriously believe
that it WILL happen. For all we know, one of you readers may be the one who
may discover mentomatics. There will be a better and sure method to reach the
Godly zones. After the industrial and the information revolution, time
is ripe for the spiritual revolution.”
By the way, Gary, I
visited quite a few sites and blogs related to your work "In pursuit of
Joy". Wonderful work.
September 19, 2010 at 2:57 pm
Re-design Religion (the Wheel)?
I enjoyed and appreciate the thoughts presented here but must ask and comment, from my point of view, about a couple of things.
What you are referring to as mentomatics. If I am understanding, it is an easier to comprehend explanation of religion to attain a higher understanding and level of God.
It seems that, even with the multitude of religions we have today that if we were to be self aware and make a pure commitment to learn that possibly we, just as Buddah, Christ, Moses and the others you have mentioned could attain a higher spirtuality, level of God.
I feel that the men you gave examples of had to have learned what they did from a source close and relevant to their level of understanding when they started their journies into spirituality. Wouldn't this have been to them what you now are referring to as mentomatics?
I agree that we have a wide spectrum of religious beliefs that confuse many and cause anger and even war amongst ourselves, but hasn't that been occuring since nearly the start of known time? The Ra worshiping Egyptians held Isrealites as slaves because they came from different heritages, beleiving different things. At the time of Christ (as well as before and after) the Romans had their religious beleifs and within Isreal was the seperation of the pharisees and sadducees all arguing that they were the ones with the direct link to ones salvation. Man has always argued over politics and religion.
In searching for an individuals belief of a higher source, power, you give an example of when one wears a luck ring because of the stone it holds being able to bring that luck. I completely agree with you that it is not the stone that brings the luck but the individuals belief that they have a "luck" with them, yet isn't that individual placing that belief in an actual physical object and not an imaginary stone in an imaginary ring? I bring this up as I feel that the higher source, the level of God, is not just an awareness but the belief in an actual, physical source, entity. I do not want to feel that I have devoted my spirituality to an inadimate object or thought (graven image).
It seems that if we were to become more aware of who-ever, what-ever, the higher source is that we would be more concerned for the welfare of our comrades rather than trying to keep up with and out do the joneses by malice and contempt, reguardless of what we may call or refer to that higher souce as. Granted, a unity would be most beneficial but re-designing religion, that seems to me like one would be re-inventing the wheel.
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Srinivasan on God and Religion: A New Look
that was a very contributory thought, raju. well prem the uniqueness, and i would say the forte, of your theory is the way you've tried to quantify the concept of god, the way you've attempted to relate it to the laws of physics. highlight that in your article. emphasize it. the part about religion seems a bit digressing from the scientific/mathematical outlook that you try to propose. it seems to be a reiteration of the same old talk we hear so often about moral codes and conducts etc. keep that on a lower note in your article, i feel. just an opinion ! and you could actually afford to go deeper into the mathematical aspect that you proffer. for instance, you could talk about meditation/concentration taking one to higher potential energy levels and giving one a greater efficiency to work better. you could also extend the concept to kinetic energy of the mind touching upon how a sudden spasm of enthusiasm or, more often, anger gives one a strangely higher physical/mental energy. or you could try to elaborate on the probability theory for the success-outcome of one's efforts based on his position in the mental space. these are mere suggestions based on the abstract you've posted here. of course, your complete work may encompass all this and more ! just to share my thoughts.
Srinivasan On God and Religion: A New Look
hello prem, i am a regular reader of articles at sulekha; but due to my frequent trips recently, i somehow missed this one. and it seems that your article has generated a lot of interest amongst readers - a very good sign ! i should say an encouraging sign indeed ! i don't understand what these guys are making a big hue and cry about !! about muhammad and buddha and christ being placed together ??! or about the avatars of vishnu and the nuances between them and ram ??! it's ridiculous ! they are debating and cribbing about something totally unrelated to the crux of the article. did the article centralize on any of these issues ? no. these were just minor underpinnings for the main point that the author had to put forth and which in itself was very innovative and original. then why try to nitpick about irrelevant issues ??! the article was not about the "religious politics" as one of the esteemed critics calls it ! then why carp about that ?!!! i tell you prem , this is all a part of the typical "indian mentality". when they try to snob you and disdain you with this gusto, rest assured that you have done a stupendously good job which promises to be a whopping success ! that's why all these efforts to pull your morale down ! anyway, coming to the article. i would encourage you to develop the idea and go ahead and get it published. the theory that you propound is really original and interesting. but i would suggest that you consider making some changes : 1. as someone pointed out, the lines - i am convinced that i am able to see clearly what may not be evident to several people in the world. i know that a great deal of wrong is being done in this world because of this misunderstanding, which can immediately be corrected if we all see what i can see. - do convey a slightly arrogant tone. never try to belittle the reader - that's the first key to good writing. this is just a subtlety related to writing that you should take into account. it does not have anything to do with the main idea of the article. 2. maybe this was just an excerpt from your work and, therefore, it seemed to rush up through things. but take the reader smoothly through complicated points. for example, you just jumped from god to religion and the reader feels that the topic of god is left a bit too brusquely without developing it completely. the idea may not get conveyed clearly due to this. i'll give the article more thought and come up with more comments on it. but do go on with your pursuits of developing to finesse this new concept. i would like to know from one of our esteemed critics who commented that mentomatics already exists - which is this language dealing with the dynamics on the mental plane that you are talking about ? please feel free to give me the details at firstname.lastname@example.org. i am really eager to know about it. happy reading, all of you ! :)
Will the Human Race Survive Another 100 Years?
- My Response to a Query by Stephen Hawkins, renowned Physicist
Dear Dr Hawking,
You have hoped that genetic engineering will make us wise and less aggressive. I do believe we will become wiser and less aggressive, not because of genetic engineering, but because of the next revolution which is awaiting us – the spiritual revolution. After the industrial revolution and the information revolution, the next revolution WILL be the spiritual revolution. Whereas the industrial revolution enhanced our muscle power, and the information revolution the brain power, the spiritual revolution will touch our minds and spirits. And everyone will be much more spiritually evolved than we are – and that will result in the future generation being wiser and less aggressive. The hatred and violence will end and love pervade. The world will survive not just another 100 years, but millions of years. My article “God and Religion – A New Look” takes a peek into the future by analyzing the past and extrapolating into the future possibilities. This article is not religious, not science or philosophy, but plain common sense.
I do not believe that the concept of God and Religion will bring about the spiritual revolution. It is only making the world worse. Spiritual revolution will dawn in as the laws of spiritual space will be “scientifically” explained – just as the laws of physical space have been mathematically explained in the previous eras. I use “scientific” within quotes because I believe that it is not the present day physical science and mathematics which will explain the laws of spiritual space. There will be an invention of new “science” and mathematics, (which I call “mentomatics”), which will explain the laws of Spiritual space. The future spiritual era will have advanced tools to take you within minutes to a high mental state, the state that the likes of Buddha and Christ reached. Man will be able to attain a mental state which is high on love, compassion, faith, etc. The spiritual revolution will see the end of religious divide and killing – spiritual research will make it crystal clear to the common man that all religions are mere tools with a single objective of spiritual upliftment.
“Sounds unbelievable!” Right? All I will request you to do is to transport yourself mentally to the stone age. Now imagine a future world having television sets with which you can see and hear what is happening real time at the other end of the world. Imagine jets and planes that reach you places several thousand miles away within hours, and so on. Your reaction as a stone age man would be the same – “sounds stupid!” But all that has happened today – you have television and aircrafts/spacecrafts which would have sounded like imaginations of a crazy mind to the Stone Age man. So do not discount what are the possibilities of the future. Whereas we are in the space age of the physical science today, we are in the stone age of spiritual science. You just need to let your imagination go wild to see what would be the possibilities when the world reaches the ‘space age’ of spiritual science.
What we need to think is not whether the spiritual revolution is possible, but how we can speed up its arrival. We need to remove self imposed barriers and leapfrog towards the invention of mentomatics (The article at http://prem.cu.cc/godbook discusses the first steps towards mentomatics, and the pitfalls that we need to avoid). We need to come out of the spiritual kindergarten that we are stuck into because of our “religious trance” and graduate to higher schools of spirituality. We need to give up the “baby walker” of religion that we are holding on to for too long even though we have already learnt to walk. And unless we give up the baby walker, we will not be able to sprint and run.
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It is unusual to find two very different offerings, both of quality but
dealing with very different fields, from one author.
The work on information era is a valuable book that at a later stage could certainly be looked at again in terms of its publishing potential. However, at the present time, we prefer to look first at GOD AND RELIGION.
This book explores the harmony between the physical and the mental forces. It tries to delve into the spiritual world and its comparison with the physical world throws open new avenues for thinking and gives a new direction to our search. It discusses the meaning of Fate, Chance and God and laments the distortion of religion whose origin it tries to trace.
The author makes an attempt to give a scientific explanation to the working of mental or the spiritual realm. He envisages that in future there would be a method to give man the state of mind he desires. For this, according to Mr. Kamble, we need to first devise methods of measuring and representing qualitatively the feelings of love, confidence, hatred sadness and our other human emotions.
This unique book makes the reader sit up and think as he has never thought before and serves as an eye opener. Illustrative and easily comprehensible, the language used is simple and can be easily grasped by common man.
It has been very rewarding to encounter the work of P U Kamble; when Minerva Press established its New Delhi branch, it was precisely in the hopes of attracting just this kind of quality writing.
We believe that this author would have a significant chance of making a mark, and in particular finding favour with both the Indian and Western reading publics. It is the fusion of cultures that broadens horizons and perspectives.